Comments on: Of freedom of speech http://wansaiful.com/2007/03/10/of-freedom-of-speech/ Personal thoughts of Wan Saiful Wan Jan Sun, 22 Jan 2012 01:16:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Mohamed http://wansaiful.com/2007/03/10/of-freedom-of-speech/#comment-3229 Sun, 07 Oct 2007 09:43:20 +0000 http://wansaiful.com/2007/03/10/of-freedom-of-speech/#comment-3229 Urgent need for a Ustaz to assist volunteers at National Mosque, KL to explain about the misconceptions of Islam to non-muslim tourist about 1000 of them daily.

]]> By: wansaiful http://wansaiful.com/2007/03/10/of-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1649 Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:30:42 +0000 http://wansaiful.com/2007/03/10/of-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1649 Hazri, Thanks for the link. It is a very good speech. But, I hope my latest post answers your question. I prefer not to argue about strictly liberal ideas or strictly conservative ideas. I think it is more fruitful if we define what it is that we believe in, rather than saying I am X or I am Y.

]]> By: faqir http://wansaiful.com/2007/03/10/of-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1648 Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:51:09 +0000 http://wansaiful.com/2007/03/10/of-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1648 Ustaz Hasrizal, I’m being more radical than ever. Liberalism just put me off. So please bear in mind. I prefer Wahhabis than Liberalis. :p

Note that I am not a UPMian.

Hazri, Wahhabis are angry if we call them Wahhabis. So why being too amazed?

]]> By: Hazri http://wansaiful.com/2007/03/10/of-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1647 Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:58:48 +0000 http://wansaiful.com/2007/03/10/of-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1647 Also Wan Saiful, you might want to check out this article on the International Institute of Islamic Thought website:

http://www.iiit.org/news/news_details/default.asp?l_news_id=222

Briefly, Professor Cantori argues that the spirit of both Islam and conservatism are actually opposed to that of the Enlightenment. I would like to hear your views on this, especially since you believe in all three!

]]> By: Hazri http://wansaiful.com/2007/03/10/of-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1646 Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:44:16 +0000 http://wansaiful.com/2007/03/10/of-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1646 Oh dear! I am amazed as to how Qutb could be posited against Libertarianism. The latter emphasised freedom and Sayyid Qutb expressed this sentiment no differently when he once declared that “Islam is the universal declaration of the freedom of man on earth from every authority except God’s authority.” His writings are replete with calls for the liberation of the entire human race from “man’s lordship over man.”

Even a superficial reading of Qutb would suggest that his insistence that the true Islamic state can only come into being when a strong Islamic community has been established is reminiscent of the libertarian view on the centrality of the moral order to sustain the state as articulated by philosophers from Adam Smith to Alexis de Tocqueville.

The opposite end of libertarianism is totalitarianism, whereas it easier to hijack Qutb for anarhic causes rather than totalitarian ones. That explains why Khawarijis are so fond of him.

]]> By: Hasrizal Abdul Jamil http://wansaiful.com/2007/03/10/of-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1645 Fri, 16 Mar 2007 01:46:08 +0000 http://wansaiful.com/2007/03/10/of-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1645 I’m very shock viewing “faqir” expressing his opinion like this. So different from the “faqir” I used to know before. Maybe the expression is only the tip of the iceberg. Apa benda la yang berlaku kat UPM tu?

]]> By: Wan Saiful http://wansaiful.com/2007/03/10/of-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1644 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:17:13 +0000 http://wansaiful.com/2007/03/10/of-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1644 Not sure how the issue of mazhab suddenly arised. The to-follow-mazhab vs not to-follow- mazhab is not an issue I am interested in.

At this stage, I want to quote Ustaz Hasrizal that if “the reader created irrational argument and bring the thing out of context, then why should the author take the blame?”

But, anyway, thanks for indulging. Greatly enjoyed our exchanges. I will leave it there.

]]> By: faqir http://wansaiful.com/2007/03/10/of-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1643 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:07:00 +0000 http://wansaiful.com/2007/03/10/of-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1643 Oh i forgot. What the heck is all about your mentioned “kitab”? You are a muqallid too? Why don’t u try to make ur own kitab? Isn’t taqlid haram? Isn’t ur manhaj teach u that way?

Gosh.. I think i am stopping here. Your Liberalism has put me off.
Thank you for responding comments from a Qutbist.

I pray you will always be blessed in Liberalism. be a good Libertarian, okay!

salam.

]]> By: faqir http://wansaiful.com/2007/03/10/of-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1642 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:43:52 +0000 http://wansaiful.com/2007/03/10/of-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1642 One more thing, what is so significant about LEARN in ur manhaj if one could make up his own understanding even their knowledge is zero? You believe that people should make up theirs even they’re not an expert, right? Oh, peminta sedekah pun boleh membuat mazhabnya sendiri, right? n the same goes to penjual ikan, mat rempit, bohsia, bohjan n so on.. Oh, huru hara dunia ni jika Liberalism berkuasa.

A Qutbist is always fighting with a Libertarian. Gosh, you dont know who is ur enemy? Haha..

]]> By: faqir http://wansaiful.com/2007/03/10/of-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1641 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:25:13 +0000 http://wansaiful.com/2007/03/10/of-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1641 Come onlaa.. Which Ulama’ said “I am superior than you”? And who said that i was forcing u to agree with me?

You are with your LIBERALISM and let the mazhabi ummah taqlid to their mazhab. Don’t try to force them to agree with u. Indoctrination is against ur manhaj, right? (but not against with my manhaj)

Why don’t you try to understand first about the methodology of ilmu Islam, then by that, you will know what you are condemning.

Oh, you think you are too wise with your “Liberal Indoctrination” and never try to understand what people agree with?!

Is that what you call LIBERAL?

Gosh, very sorry..

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