Can someone please tell me why the statement below is insulting?
“Islam bukan sekadar memakai serban dan janggut. Arab Jahiliah, termasuk Abu Jahal, memakai serban dan berjanggut. Tidak hairanlah bagi Rasulullah yang lahir dan membesar dalam masyarkat itu, berbuat demikian.”
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depending on who reads what. i follow the case too, and read the transcript of the verdict, an did not find the statement, when read in its context, insulting at all. IMO, the quoted statement above is honest, and looking from a religious perspective is correct in defining and referring to the sunnah al-adiyy part of the Prophetic tradition. note the word *sunnah* here.
IMO the blame goes to the side who had taken the case into the court in the first place. the verdict could have been worse, the statement could have been harsher, and the repercussions could have a far reaching effect than this. but alhamdulillah the judges are rational, humane and sensitive enough.
There is a tradition that says, ‘al-fitnah is sleeping; woe unto those who wake it up.’
wow…reading at you write here really kinda freaks me out…well…first and foremost let me say…if you are a muslim and you have somehow felt nothing towards that statement…i’d suggest you guys better re check or “muhasabah” yourself…
Who are we to question the the sunnah?…it is already stated by Allah the Almighty that “pada Rasulullah terdapat contoh ikutan yang baik”…be it from his akhlak right up to his appearance…if Rasulullah is not your reference…then who is?…Tom G Palmer i presume…
It is as easy as any kindergardens can think…to think of it…especially in this case …which is when you denied an act or part of sunnah itself like wearing serban…bersugi…and others…means that you deny the very foundation of the islamic faith itself which is in the 2nd rukun iman…Percaya Pada Rasul…
Ingatlah…Islam itu bukan pada tafsiran umatnya sama sekali…ianya milik mutlak Allah S.W.T dan adalah kita wajib sebagai yang beragama Islam mengikutinya…
Return to Allah my friends…
sorry i forgot to add few things…i’m not suprise after this if you say that a women can be imam in prayers…all religion is the same right?…it’s all about freewill and freedom of choice…right?…
my suggestion…before you post any rambling about Islam itself…i’d suggest you go and look for an imam…and i mean an ahlus sunnah wal jamaah imam…
may Allah save your soul and guide you from kesesatan my friend…
I stand by my word.
Beard and turban are sunnah (and the weblog owner could be my witness that I uphold both in my life), but implementing a sunnah has its way. As i alluded to in my comment, the term sunnah itself has different categories. The simplest division which I use here is sunnah al-’adiyy and sunnah al-’ibadi. Note the word sunnah, which itself speaks of my affirmation that these are the sunnah of the Prophet s.a.w.
You have to see this case in context Muhammad Rizal, as this age of ours is an age of tribulation. I dont think taking the case into court was wise given the following: 1. the syari’ah law is not the highest law in the country 2. the case involves a few immature defendants 3. it did not involve sunnah al-’ibadi 4. there is better way to resolve the conflict. Lucky the outcome was not worse than this.
You call for the implementation of sunnah, but your way of speech does not reflect this.
ps 1. talking about bersugi, I have two toothbrushes and one kayu siwak. The kayu siwak lives attached to my computer screen for easy reach. A question to pick your brain: what is the difference between ‘bersugi’ and ‘bersiwak’?
ps 2. I affirm a woman can lead a prayer; there is nothing wrong with that. But in a mixed congregation, the Imamship is the right of the man.
ps 3. no, I do not think every religion is on a par to each other.
ps 4. the discussion of freewill and freedom of choice is always part of Islamic tradition. Our history is dotted with evidences that even the most deviant of thought was allowed to be discussed, specific reference to the famous debate between Imam al-A’zam Ibn Hanbal and the atheist, and the intereligion debates that always being held in the court of Harun ar-Rasyid.
ps 5. I hold al-Ash’ari and asy-Shafi’i as my Imams, and I follow those who are in their footsteps. Are these your Imam too?
1. Bersugi atau bersiwak adalah suatu perbuatan bagi membersihkan mulut dan gigi.
2. Bersugi hukumnya adalah sunat dan masanya ialah bila-bila masa tetapi masa yang paling dituntut ialah setelah bangun dari tidur, ketika hendak mendirikan sembahyang , ketika hendak membaca Al-Quraan dan ketika berubah bau mulut.
3. Dihukumkan makruh bersugi apabila telah gelincir matahari ( masuk waktu Zohor ) bagi orang yang berpuasa , sebagaimana sabda Rasulullah s.a.w. yang bermaksud :
“ Dari Abu Hurairah r.a.h. dari Nabi s.a.w. sesungguhnya bau mulut orang yang berpuasa itu disisi Allah s.w.t. itu lebih harum daripada kasturi “.
( Riwayat Muslim )
– Pada pendapat Imam Nawawi r.a.h bahawa tidak makruh bersugi bagi orang yang berpuasa sama ada telah gelincir matahari atau belum gelincir matahari.
4. Alat untuk bersugi ialah tiap-tiap sesuatu yang suci dan kesat seperti berus gigi , kayu arak ( siwak ) , rotan manggar kelapa dan lain-lain.
5. Hadith Rasulullah s.a.w. tentang bersugi :
1) Dari Aisyah r.a.h. “ Sesungguhnya Nabi s.a.w. telah bersabda bersugi itu membersihkan mulut dan mendapat redha dari Tuhannya “.
( Riwayat Baihaqi )
2) Dari Abu Hurairah r.a.h. dari Nabi s.a.w. telah bersabda :
“ Kalau tidaklah akan menyusahkan umatku akan aku suruh
mereka bersugi pada tiap-tiap waktu ketika berwuduk “.
( Riwayat Ahmad )
6. Cara perlaksanaan bersugi hendaklah dengan tangan kanan dan dimulakan dengan sebelah kanan mulut dan terus dilakukan atas langit-langit mulut dengan perlahan-lahan serta ke atas gusi dan gigi.
7. Di antara kelebihan bersugi ialah :
1) Sebagaimana sabda Rasulullah s.a.w. yang bermaksud :
“ Dua rakaat sembahyang dengan bersugi itu terlebih
baik pahalanya daripada tujuh puluh rakaat sembahyang
dengan tidak bersugi “.
( Riwayat Muslim )
2) Dapat menambahkan akal.
3) Dapat mencerahkan mata.
4) Melambatkan tumbuh uban .
5) Dapat menggandakan pahala.
6) Dapat mengucapkan Syahadah tatkala hampir ajal .
7. Sekiranya tidak dapat bersugi pada tiap-tiap waktu yang dituntuti hendaklah ia bersugi sekali dalam sehari.
8. Di antara sebab-sebab sembahyang orang yang bersugi itu lebih afdhal dan lebih besar fadhilatnya kerana ia akan mendatangkan lebih khusyuk sembahyangnya serta dapat memelihara pergaulan yang baik di dalam jemaahnya semasa sembahyang dengan bau mulut yang bersih dan harum serta cahaya gigi yang segar .
( Rujukan Kitab – Kitab Matla’al Badraian – Syeikh Daud Fattani )
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yes, women can lead prayers…only at certain given moments…not in the context of Amina Wadud
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yes, but i’d suggest you study again why this things happen…and on what purposes…i’d suggest you look up under Islamic history…under the Abbasiyah ruling and Othmaniah…you will find such events are made under a questionable reason…
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i’ll discuss with you later on the imam…
LOL abang Wan, you’ve got an extremely literalist, ala Wahabi visitor!
ps1: you did not answer it as you should. bersugi is a collective term for any act that cleanses the teeth. Bersiwak is specific for the act of cleaning the teeth using the arak wood.
ps2: I did not mention Amina Wadud. In fact my statement was clear on the illah of why her leading the prayer was not valid. Yours is vague. You did not mention the condition – just saying at certain given moment is not enough. You have to apologise to Wan Saiful for being extremely judgmental, and not keeping good opinion on your Muslim brothers, which is one of the acme of tasawwuf and an act of sunnah too.
ps3: perhaps it is you who should read history. You dont even know the text you quote: It is Matla’ul Badrain (not Matla’al Badrain) and there is no shaddah on the ‘Ta’ of al-Fatani.
If you want to discuss about the Imam, more than welcome. But dont stray far too much from what this post is all about.
to anak alam and mr wan saiful…
yes…it is very easy to find one’s fault…it’s just that i find your comments is rather doubtful…malahan boleh menjejaskan i’tiqad dan fahaman…it is not wrong is it?…we can keep on debating for Allah knows how long…until either i submit to your ideology…or vice versa…
Referring to Surah Al Asr…” Berpesan pesanlah kamu kepada kebenaran dan kesabaran “…my brothers…which is we are…we have all made the very same vow…to worship and acknowledge that there is no other god except Allah and Muhammad is his prophet and Messenger…it is my obligation to tell you that i too am afraid of the Jahannam…
If you find my comments is harshful i apologised you for that…but i wish that you change your way of thinking about Islam…or i’d leave you to Allah the Almighty Himself…
Assalamu’alaikum brothers…
P/S:
I am not a wahabi…i am a pure ahlus sunnah wal jamaah…my imam is As Shafiee too…sufism is my way…fyi…
Dear brother, we have far more in common. I was indeed being very picky as your comment has the air of the Wahabbis, to whom I give no quarter. If you have a Path, and if you read and learn al-Fatani’s writings, we are drinking from the same well, eating from the same plate then!
In our tradition, however, the Path has this meaning: being gentle on others, being hard on oneself. More than everyone here I want to impose serban and janggut on everyone for I love these two things, but it is certainly not a sunnah to impose a ‘sunat’ sunnah. I condemn those who has now making it difficult for my future sons to wear serban and janggut at school.
Seems we are speaking the same language then…only thing is…living in this days where most of the muslims have mix the rights and wrongs…the syumul of Islam has been tarred by this people…and i’m out to fight against them…i’m sorry for my comments earlier brother…
Berkata benar biarpun pahit…amal ma’aruf nahi mungkar…that’s my principle…
Assalamualaikum,
To Anak Alam.
I forget your weblog and email addresses. Are you still in C, UK or have returned to Malaysia?
Anyway, please send me an email. mdamzari@gmail.com. I am in London.
Last time I heard about you, you did mentioned that you were planning to go to south continent.
wassalam
Amzari
Muhammad Rizal,
I still believe the action of taking the case to court is not appropriate. While i am dismayed by the court decision, that does not mean I support the father’s decision to take the case into court in the first place.
Amzari my bro,
Certainly, i will send one your way.
My public blog is no longer online. But if you are here for long, there might be a way to get you an access to the other ‘protected’ site.
The serban case was more political than anything else.
When one takes an uncalculated / short-sighted political risk, this is the outcome.
I still do not see anything insulting in that paragraph.
What I do see from the above thread is, there may be some people who claim to be a Muslim who need to learn to not insult others too easily.
to rizal, i’d like to correct what u have written in the previous comment.
the second rukun iman is not Faith in Rasuls. But faith in Malaikat.
So, before we want to give other muslim harsh approach on Imaan, and to make ourselves sound better than the other Muslim, we shall recheck our own imaan.
there are many ways to approach other Muslim when we notice that he/she had done something wrong. but i find ur way will not make a person feel thankful that he/she being approached, but angry and unsatisfied.
so, why dont we all follow the sunnah of RasulAllah s.a.w which is to approach the enemies (apatah lagi saudara semuslim kita) with soft words. for soft words only can soften hearts.
For all the good thiings are from Allah and all the bad thing are from me.
wallahualam.
salam
It’s insulting because:
1. It restricts “freedom to express one’s religion” by adding a proviso “provided that such expression is mandatory in that religion”.
2. What follows from (1) is that the court now becomes not only an arbiter of law, but also an arbiter of religion, deciding whether or not a certain practice is compulsory within that particular religion. This is especially dangerous, especially given the adversarial nature of court proceedings that we inherit from the British where one lawyer would say that this is compulsory by citing some scholars of that religion, while another would do exactly the opposite, adducing arguments from different scholars of that religion. This is surely the road to religious tyranny when a civil court has the jurisdiction to declare what constitutes and what not constitutes the tenets of all the faiths in the country.
In Malaysia for example, Sikhs are allowed to wear the turban to school. Suppose that one day, a local authority decides that it should be outlawed. Then someone, just like Meor Atiqurrahman, decides to wear it anyway, insisting on the freedom to express his religion (Sikhism) as enshrined in the Federal Constitution. Would you then say he is wrong to bring his action against the school – as you do as regards Meor Atiqurrahman – or would you say that it is his constitutional, moral and legal right to do so?
3. The judge has no right to say that the serban was not compulsory in Islam because he is sitting in his capacity as the judge of a secular, civil court and it is outside the jurisdiction, much less authority of the court to decide on matters which rightfully belongs to the Shariah court. This issue did not came about in the local media for the simple reason that what the judge said just so happens to be the views of the majority of ulamas. Had this not been the case, what he did would have been more controversial.
One further point. You did point out that the case was more “political than anything else.” I wholeheartedly agree with this, except that what I believe is political is not the action, for the individual has every moral, legal and constitutional right to commence litigation against any party whom he wishes. Rather the politics lies in the decision, which occurs amidst great debate as to whether Malaysia is a secular state (which is by default “just”) or an Islamic state (which is by default “authoritarian”).
The judge’s decision comes as a comforting reassurance that Malaysia is secular and will not allow any religious zealots to have their way.
Enma Ai says:
In Malaysia for example, Sikhs are allowed to wear the turban to school. Suppose that one day, a local authority decides that it should be outlawed. Then someone, just like Meor Atiqurrahman, decides to wear it anyway, insisting on the freedom to express his religion (Sikhism) as enshrined in the Federal Constitution. Would you then say he is wrong to bring his action against the school – as you do as regards Meor Atiqurrahman – or would you say that it is his constitutional, moral and legal right to do so?
I am very happy that serban was banned by a Malaysian court as it is banning public expression of the false religion, Islam from public schools. I also support banning tudung, hijab, and burqah for young Muslimah who are students in public schools. The Malay girls must expose their aurat so we Chinese can see their beauty. The French government was correct to ban burqah moreover as Christianity has no symbol and symbolism is idolatry.
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